In Conversation
Saturday Night Live's longtime Weekend Update co-host opens up about his new comedy special Michael Che: Shot in Minnesota, his “tricky” start at SNL as the only Black writer, and trying and failing to settle down.


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Michael Che watches The Sopranos all the way through about four to five times a year. “It’s my comfort zone show,” he tells me on the 9th floor of 30 Rock last Tuesday. When I arrive, the Saturday Night Live vet is in the middle of an episode where AJ Soprano’s depressed because his fiancée has dumped him. “Dominican girl,” he says, shaking his head. He puts the series on mute as I take a seat on a couch in his dressing room, which formerly belonged to Pete Davidson, Bobby Moynihan, and maybe Fred Armisen. (He can’t remember.)
He also can’t name his favorite Sopranos episode (“it’s tough”), but Che can confidently say that the show plays a necessary part in his joke-writing process. “A lot of it is just some 40-year-old man mumbling to himself in the living room while The Sopranos is on mute.” Che must have seen a lot of James Gandolfini in a bathrobe this summer because he spent it working overtime on a project of his very own.
“SNL is like a teacher’s schedule. You get the summers,” Che says, matter-of-factly. While he’s grateful for the time off, Che admits that the infamously grueling SNL schedule makes it hard to find the time and energy to work on his own material. “I feel like comedy is a conversation,” Che says. “It’s hard to pick it up after six to seven months [away]. It’s hard to tour. It’s hard to build because you don’t get a ton of time off,” he says. “When you do get time off, you’re so tired, mentally exhausted. The last thing you want to do is more comedy.”
At the end of every season, it seems, rumors swirl that Che is gonna be out the door. Some of those rumors had truth to them. “I thought I was leaving three or four different times, honestly,” he says. Che shows me a white Yankees bomber jacket, riddled with Sharpied signatures from SNL’s 50th anniversary event last year. “I got everybody to sign my jacket…Tina and Eddie and all those guys. I got the legends. Garrett Morris,” he says, name-checking SNL’s first Black cast member. Ultimately, he’s decided to stay in the warm embrace of Studio 8H. “It’s a hard thing to give up, man. It’s a hard thing to leave,” he says.
And so, before heading into his 12th year as Weekend Update co-anchor with Colin Jost, Che spent his summer polishing his comedy. The result is Michael Che: Shot in Minnesota, his third stand-up special (and directorial debut), which just debuted on Netflix.
After working on it all year, he taped the special in late August, over four performances at the Minneapolis comedy club First Avenue. He opted for Minneapolis because “the vibe, the venue, it just felt different,” he says. “It felt unique. It felt on time.” For those wondering what vibe the comedian, who is no stranger to stirring up controversy, is offering up this time, look no further than the special’s subtitle. “Shot in Minnesota” contains a deeper meaning when considering the death of George Floyd or ICE’s fatal shooting of Renee Good and Alex Pretti earlier this year, setting the stage for a performer who is unafraid to get a little political.
In this way, Che’s material feels right on time too. Within the first 10 minutes of the special, Che makes provocative punchlines about a myriad of hot topics, including but not limited to Charlie and Erika Kirk, MAGA hats, and the resurgence of the R-word as it pertains to Donald Trump. “Y’all don’t know this, but I own like three daycares here,” Che quips during the special, joking about the childcare fraud scandal that swept the state last year. His laid-back vibe and relaxed aesthetic—meandering around the stage in a hoodie, seemingly coming up with his material on the spot—can belie the sharpness of his cultural criticism and how overtly political he gets without feeling like he’s picking a side. And I can’t help but bring up a very different habit from his stand-up comedy: saying the N-word. “You can’t say that shit on Weekend Update,” he says, chuckling. “It’s on channel four, man.”
“I try to stay in the world of figuring it out in real time,” Che tells me. “As opposed to having a strong stance, I like to explain why I’m confused. I think that sort of disarms people. There’s nothing to disagree with: I’m trying to figure it out. And then even if you disagree with me, you know I’m not lying. It’s coming from an honest place, and I’m showing you how I got there.” For Che, wrestling with all sides of seemingly intractable issues—from figuring out how to solve the gun violence epidemic in our country—is what generates the comedy. “It’s a way of being inclusive without also pandering,” he adds.
Che’s stand-up demeanor—ultra chill and incredibly casual—is a far cry from the more buttoned-up comedian who sits behind the “Weekend Update” desk most Saturdays and has very little time to land a punchline. He’s painfully aware of this. When I ask whether he treats stand-up like he treats “Weekend Update,” he lets out a loud laugh. “Hell no, man. Does it look like it? [They are] very, very, very different jobs,” he says.
Che has a habit of gauging the audience’s reaction to “Weekend Update” in real time, often laughing when a joke flops. “People be like, ‘Why are you laughing at your joke?’ he says. And I’m like, I’m not laughing at my joke, I’m laughing at them. Comedy’s funny both ways. There’s a show for you happening, and there’s a show for me happening.” Untethered from the “Weekend Update” desk, Che can let loose in a way that feels more authentic to his natural sense of humor, showcasing a side we typically only get to glimpse.

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It was a long road for Che to get to his third Netflix special. The New York native and LaGuardia grad still remembers his days pounding the pavement on the open-mic circuit.
“There used to be a list online called badslava.com. I don’t even know if it still exists, and it listed every open mic in New York City, literally,” he says. Aspiring comedians, you’re in luck: it still exists. Testing out his material at venues like the Comedy Corner and The People’s Improv Theater, Che says he “met a lot of really, really great friends and really, really funny comedians that way.” Still, it was a grind. “I’d do about four to five open mics a day,” he says.
Che was still on the open-mic grind when he was hired at Saturday Night Live as a guest writer in 2013 for season 39. He was hired at a “weird time” in the history of the long-running sketch comedy show. “Coming here, it was tough because I was the only Black writer here,” says Che. “It wasn't like a rule, you know what I mean?” he says. “It wasn't like a bad thing. That's just how it worked out.”
The lack of melanin on staff wasn’t necessarily easy to navigate. “It was tricky,” he says. It’s a word he uses multiple times to describe his start at SNL. “SNL is such a machine. You just kind of get in where you fit in, you know what I mean?” he says. “It’s going to happen no matter what.”
Black SNL cast members like Kenan Thompson and Jay Pharoah helped him settle in and find his groove, which led to Che becoming the first Black “Weekend Update” co-anchor in 2014. Twelve years later, Che has been around long enough to see things change. “Then Leslie [Jones] came, and then Sasheer [Zamata] came, and then [former SNL writer] Sam Jay came,” Che says. “I'm forgetting people, but at one point it was like five or six Black people in the cast. I was a part of that.” (Today, along with Che there are 3 other Black cast members: Thompson, Patterson, and newcomer Saidah-Belo-Osagie). While he’s feeling nostalgic for a bygone SNL, Che is also excited to see the next generation of Black talent being developed at Studio 8H. “Now I'm watching Kam [Patterson] from a completely different world. It's kind of dope.”
Soon, he’ll have the chance to work with SNL’s content creator host, Druski, who’s set to host the show on November 7th. Billed as SNL’s first digital creator host (though Issa Rae and Quinta Brunson may beg to differ), Druski is in many ways cut from a similar cloth as Che—Black male comedians unafraid to stir the pot and make a bit of controversy in the process. (For the uninitiated, check out Druski’s Erika Kirk-inspired viral comedy video for the content creator’s provocative sense of humor). Had Druski popped a few years earlier, it’s easy to imagine him appearing on Che’s HBO Max sketch show That Damn Che, which lasted for two seasons.
Just don’t expect to see Che in a sketch with Druski come November 7th. “I don't want to do sketches,” he says. “That's a tough gig. I like it. I like writing it even, but I don't want to do it.” He shouts out his Weekend Update co-anchor. “Colin does a lot of sketches. I think he gets a kick out of it.”
More than a decade into his tenure on the sketch series, if SNL makes him feel anything, it’s old. Che is 43 years old, making him one of SNL’s one of the oldest cast members along with 44-year-old Jost, 46-year-old Mikey Day, and 48-year-old Kenan Thompson. “It's for young people, I think.” Che says of the show. “Man, I try to stay out their way because it's their show. If I got something to add, they're welcome to have it, but I try to let them do what they do and talk to their generation because that's what the show is for. I'm just trying to keep quiet and keep my nose clean before they realize that I'm too old.”
That being said, Che’s got some notes for the Zoomers and Gen Alphas out there. “This is the headphones generation. They're not really social anymore,” he laments. “It's funny, I go to bars and I'll be the oldest guy there at times, which is sad. It's all a bunch of young 20 something and all the music is from when I was 25. They're playing the Ying Yang Twins... What do you like? It's like they don't even have their version of a party. They're still doing what we did.”
Aging has caused him to reevaluate other aspects of his life—specifically his personal life. In Shot in Minnesota, Che goes on a long tear about his dating life, joking that it’s hard to find someone to go on double dates with Colin Jost and Scarlett Johansson. While Jost hasn’t seen Shot in Minnesota yet, he gave Jost a heads up that he and his wife appear prominently in the special. “He was like, "I don't care," Che says of Jost. “He's far more supportive of me than I am of him.” When I ask if there’s any romance in his life he reflexively jokes, “This going in the newspaper?” He’s never publicly dated anyone, although if you’re a woman in the greater New York area, you may have come across his Raya profile. But when his laughter fades, Che gets real for a moment. “No, I don't know. I tried, man. I tried,” he says, of dating. “I'm trying to settle down a lot more. But I think I'm more married to the stage.”
The stage certainly has been good to him. “[Saturday Night Live’s] been better to me than I've been to it,” he says. “It's one of the last appointment viewings on television that's not sports or not The Masked Singer… It's like being on the Knicks. It's like being a Yankee. When we get it right, it's special. When we don't, people are very upset and they're calling for your jobs. It's good to just be a part of something that people really care about.”
Some have said that SNL’s 51st season has gotten off to a rocky start—especially after Saturday, October 10th’s episode hosted by Shane Gillis. The episode saw Gillis drop an accidental “f-bomb” which he later apologized for and alienated many from the jump with his polarizing opening monologue where he said “women dress like whores at the gym,” which left critics like Dan Levy “speechless” at its overt misogyny. For his part, Che posted in a since-deleted Instagram story “Thanks a lot, Shane.” Che had nothing further to say about recent developments at Saturday Night Live, but in the week leading up to Gillis’s disastrous hosting stint, Che tells me that he doesn’t pay attention to the conversation online or critics of the show, preferring to look at the season as a whole, like an athlete assessing wins and losses. “There'll be special moments this year that people will take with them… I wait for that,” he says “I don't overreact to any reactions, whether they're good or bad.”
Che has also found himself in hot water multiple times for jokes he’s told on the show and posted on social media over the years, including ones about Caitlyn Jenner, an Instagram story about Simone Biles and convicted molester Larry Nasser (Che claims he was hacked) and even a joke about Scarlett Johansson that the Oscar nominee found “vulgar.” He’s also been known to engage with those who might not be fans of his comedic stylings, publicly arguing back and forth with civilians, dragging them publicly on his social media for his fans to see. The outbursts have led some to publicly call for him to be removed from the Weekend Update desk.
As for the controversies, “I’'m from a generation where we engage,” he says. “I'm from a generation where you could speak your mind and have a discussion and maybe change your mind or change someone else's.” Che is “not afraid of being wrong if it means that I can know I'm wrong and be right,” he adds. “I'm not afraid to speak. I know I'm not coming from a malicious place, so I'm not worried. If I do hurt someone, it's not intentional and it'll help me work on my approach.” He puts it another way: “It's hard to know what you sound like if you're quiet.”
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